I don't want to say that I believe in this statement but for those who have a say in this matter please contribute.
better is a broad and vague adjective. Each ERP system has advantages and disadvantages.
And it depends on the Company implementing the ERP system on what features (advantages) they must have and what issues (disadvantages) they can live with.
SAP (JDEdvards, SUN, etc) are by no means good systems - but, first, anyone has a budget and ROI to follow, second - as Rashed already said - it depends on what you really need or can live without, and what you can afford... Client is willing to get his bang for the buck, and, if NAV in its present position satisfies his needs, why to spend more $$$$ only for brand name?
PS NAV is a brand name, too
On many occassions it is purchased in part as a status symbol, in other parts it is part of a localised global roll out where the local office of 20 people have a £8million budget to implement it, and it kills them (although creates a few more new jobs!
Horses for courses, but there are big companies out there not running SAP, and the old adage of scalability is falling away.
I think this is a very interesting question. Especially because my company globally are using both SAP and Dynamics NAV in our subsidiaries.
Dynamics NAV is our corporate "first choice", but for companies who are either very big (+100000 sales transactions per month) or have many concurrent (+250 concurrent users per legal company), then we recommend them to select SAP.
This is not based upon my personal experience with NAV, but it's also a question about how big projects we actually want to handle by our special-made CORE NAV version and our limited corporate project team. Personally then I'm convinced that if we just had enough resources to optimize our CORE, then there would not be many reasons left why they would select SAP.
And most of the countries we have who are not using NAV as the national ERP system, but instead SAP or Oracle or similar, they are actually also using Dynamics NAV in one or several of their local subsidiaries. The reason for that is that they always have subsidiaries who cannot handle the inflexibility of those systems and need a lot more flexibility.
...So from what you and the others are saying the choice criteria seems to be based on scalability. In terms of flexibility costs it is known that Navision wins the battle so right now if Microsoft manages to solve the scalabity problem, Navision might be a strong competitor for SAP. This is, of corse, if the product and services price levels remain more or less the same. In my opinion the receipt for Navision to overcome SAP would be:
- scalability problem solved
- Microsoft investment on Boosting Dynamics brand image
- Adding more functionality to the application. Here I think it will be a natural process since the change to .Net will make the NAV developers comunity grow largely and thus its added functionalities.
Don't think I have anything against SAP but I feel that if their prices are so much higher, they need to be much better. If this is not so true it is more than right that they get a fair competition and there Dynamics has a good chance... In the end companies will benefit from this since they will get to pay less for the an as good solution.
Thanks for the replies,
Pedro what you need to notice is that people here has mostly been talking about SAP vs. Dynamics NAV. Including me.
But if you talk to Microsoft, then they will never put up SAP vs. Dynamics NAV, instead they will position SAP vs. Dynamics AX, which is their "high-end" and "enterprise" ERP solution.
It would be interesting to hear some of our Dynamics AX experts bid on this question....
It is not a question of NAV or AX. MS should find a way to market their products more. Create Awareness and give a broad image.
about NAV. As of Now, the feel in the market is that SAP is for Big companies and NAV for small companies. That image has to be changed
by way of agressive marketing and creation of awareness about NAV.
More users to be trained and as well as more developers to be trained to gain a market share and a leader of the market.
Pedro Pelicano said:Don't think I have anything against SAP but I feel that if their prices are so much higher, they need to be much better.
I always say "Why buy SAP/R3 it you have R5 with Dynamics NAV already."
Here is some scalability issues with NAV
Most big projects run on SQL and MS recommends that. MS out of the box is not optimized for SQL. Granted this can be customized, but I would rather see NAV do it. They have slowly started adding features in 4.0 and and in 5.0 they have changed code, and 6.0 they are going 3 tierd. One thing that is missing is that they need to make some dramatic table structure changes to solve locking issues. Add batch processing of overnight transactions. Add Archiving of GL transactions.
For example Numbering series table is used throughout the system. They could create Numbering series for each Area of Navision.
Use Autoincrement as much possible.
Change the C/AL language to allow more features that allow the data manipulation be done on SQL. For example create a datatype called Queuery. So you can create a queuery the way you want the data be displayed.
All these changes will happen, but first the Native DB has to go. Which is happening with 6.0.
Correct if I'm wrong but I thought Microsoft idea was to merge the two applications Nav and AX and face the market with a unique solution.