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Not an expert, just someone who looked a few of them.
AX - original target was larger size manufacturing companies, began in Europe, competed with Navision on the fringe of the mid/high market. both introduce graphical interface and easy customization to the market, before this everything was charater based and not very flexible.
NAV - orginal target mid market retail/wholesale distribution companies, too big for quickbooks, mas90 ect but not big enough for Orcle or SAP implemention - began in Europe little penatration in the USA as first
GP - Same basic market as Navision but primary the US market.
SL - Soloman - same market as GP and NAV, began as charater based and evolved alone the same lines as GP
Navision bought AX with goal of combining and try to reach the low end of the high end market such as Oracle and SAP.
Microsoft entered US market with GP purchase and expanded to Europe with Navision/AX purchase
GP & SL are both of USA origin, AX (Axapta, Concorde XAL) & NAV (Navision) were 2 competitors in Europe - and then came Microsoft an` bought them all To be more precise AX and NAV joined before becoming Microsoft Business Solutions.
As from MS, they position NAV for small/medium businesses, AX for medium/large, the last being generally more expensive for the approx alike functionality. Both ex-European systems have their strong & weak points - NAV in comparison to AX lacks Project Management, has clumsy Manufacturing and so-so Resources&Jobs, but NAV IMHO has better analytical possibilities (especially in v4) and Budgeting, besides there is a bazillion of NAV Add-Ons just for every possible need not covered in base version - a catalogue is available on Dynamics site.
There are of course many other differences, not knowing your needs (and country of residence), nobody can tell you what to choose. Can`t speak about GP & SL, lets wait what will forums` US members say.
BTW, they say in foreseeable future (years, of course) all 4 will mix up in one joint product - MS doesn`t want to compete with itself...
MCP-Dynamics NAV Application
In reply to Modris Ivans:
To be more precise AX and NAV joined before becoming Microsoft Business Solutions.
To be more precise AX and NAV joined before becoming Microsoft Business Solutions.
GP & SL went through a similar process in the US. GP bought SL and then MS acquired GP.
Have a great day, Erik
I am biased.AX is the baby of the set, it was initiated by Navision/Damgaard when they merged. Implementation for geographically distributed environment on same platform.Huge scalability (hundreds of users). Relativley difficult to adapt for business requirements. Good functionality for project control.NAV is the fast maturing adolescent. New Windows version in the early 1990's - has developed and matured since then.Have seen it used in 1 man/woman/dog business and as local solution in global corporate ERP strategy and most points between all over the world.Obeys 80/20 rule : 80% business fit out of the box across all functions and 20% delivered by partner\agent.Easy to adapt for business requirements.IMHO provides more functionality, more opportunity with less cost and less maintenance thany any other product in the marketplace (including SAP).SL and GP.Who needs them?
In reply to jsrark:
jsrarkAX is the baby of the set, it was initiated by Navision/Damgaard when they merged.
This is actually not true. Axapta was originally released in 1998, whereas the merger didn't happen until the year 2000.
jsrarkSL and GP.Who needs them?
jsrarkIMHO provides more functionality, more
opportunity with less cost and less maintenance thany any other product
in the marketplace (including SAP).
In reply to Erik P. Ernst:
In reply to Garaux:
The only question is:
can you live with AX for let's say the next five years or so ?
Microsoft plans say they want to make one solution out of all the solutions they are presenting now.
So let's deal with what we have and let's hope that things will get better with the so called "Project Green"
Dynavics & Dynamic Solutions Based on the improved budget situation is light
This is my two words on the topic:
Navision developed as very structured, integrated and very generic solution that very easy to modify and tailor to specific customer needs.
GP developed as GL system with multiple add-ons. (GP was buying different solutions from different solution centers)
As result: if you can find Vertical solution tailored to your type of business you can pick any system (not only Navision, GP, Solomon, Axapta, MAS90, SAP…). It is always better to find Vertical.
If you can not – go with Navision (i mean between Navision and GP - i do not know other systems).
In reply to Bob:
Here you got some customer stories about Dynamics Ax (Axapta) implementations. You can find some case study on Ax implementation in enterprises such as X-Box (High Tech), Tommy Hilfiger (retail focus) , Carbogen (pharmacy)... and other in differnet industries (oil and gaz, distribution, services,...)
As for the Navision case studies, you can find also customers evidence here. But I know less about Navision (I'll let Nav specialist telling you about it)
Hope these links can help you
Could you give a few examples of Nav implementation up to 1000 users or
at least above 500 users? Such info, especially case studies would be
very helpful to make a decision witch system choose Nav or AX?
There are plenty of NAV implementation of up to 1000 users. Some even larger. In my old company we had around 2000 users on Dynamics NAV (GN Store Nord). And in my new job we expect to have a around 2500 users within 3 years (ISS).
But although we see this as one implementation/project, then we don't talk about 2500 users in one company in one database. But 2500 users in maybe 100 companies in 3-4 databases.
My personal rule of thumb says that we should not put more than 500-600 users in one database, and not more than 200-250 users in one company. More could work, but it really depends on the combination of roles of the users. So i.e. if you have 200 out of 250 users in Sales then you are out for a challenge in optimizing system performance - but even here then it's surely possible to get a new system out of it.
( I only use NAV actively )
I have heard that GP has very poor multi-language and multi-currency support - both of which are very strong in NAV. Therefore in an international implemenation, GP can't compete with NAV.
I've also heard that GP's 'verticals' are more mature than NAV's.
In reply to girish.joshi:
Im also trying to work out if we go down the AX or the Nav path.
My understanding is that AX will probably be the product that will eventually win out over the other MS flavours with a "lite" version being available down the track.
The documents I have read also seem to indicate that AX is probably the best that provides remote web access and with concepts such as virtualisation and cloud computing being touted as well as decentralisation of work forces, its something to think about.
I represent a multi country franchise system which makes remote accessability more attractive as well.
Id guess though that if you want an easier out of the box implimentation that does 90% of everything, then go NAV :)
Following is a cut and paste from another site I thought was kind of useful, but might be a bit outdated...
Targeted to small to medium-sized companies with $20 - $500+ Million in
Complex Manufacturing and Distribution. Axapta is Microsoft Business
Solutions' high end system with features such as a product configurator (allows
order clerks to configure a complex product with many options and features on
the fly), graphical views of scheduling and Bill of Materials...
Technology. Axapta is the only Microsoft Business Solution available
today that is web based. Axapta can be accessed over the internet using a
browser or using the same user interface used over a local area network. Axapta
uses "thin client" architecture which means that only a small amount of code is
required on a workstation or remote computer. Traffic over the internet is kept
to a minimum. Non web based systems require the use of products such as Citrix
and Terminal Services to obtain remote access, but do this at the expense of
additional complexity and expense.
International. Axapta is compliant with the legal requirements of
thirty-one countries around the world.
Multilingual. You can run multiple languages, changing from one to
another in real-time. Employees can work in the language of their choice and
they can send documents to customers and vendors in their native languages.
Customizations. Customizations are specific not only by user, but also
by location and by company. Axapta uses a versioning system for its
customizations that allows you to revert back to previous versions if necessary.
Multiple Site Support. Multi-site support is ideal for companies with
wide area networks that want centralized reporting and the ability to
cross-reference or amalgamate information from individual offices. Customer,
vendor, general ledger account numbers, and similar information can be shared or
made unique depending on business needs.
Targeted to small, medium-sized and some large companies with $10 - $500
Million in revenues.
Customization. Navision is known for its customization capabilities.
There are many third party solutions that are available that have been written
using Navision customization tools.
Rock solid performance. Customers consistently give high marks to
Navision's reliability and speed.
Dimensional reporting. By attaching dimensions to transactions, it is
possible to analyze business performance across multiple dimensions.
Financial reporting. Financial reporting is based on transactions and
not monthly buckets. Financial reports can easily and quickly be generated for
any date range. Financial report writer also used for analysis of item ledgers –
what sold, what purchased… with control over rows and columns with
Navigation. Navision provides superior tools to easily drill down for
Resellers. We have consistently heard positive comments on the
resellers from Navision clients. Navision requires that resellers attend
Databases. Navision was developed using the C/Side database. Navision
has offered their system with Microsoft SQL Server since 1999 and today about
35% of new Navision systems are sold with the Microsoft SQL Server database.
Normally we recommend industry standard technology such as Microsoft SQL Server.
However, with Navision, the empirical evidence is that C/Side is fast and
Granular pricing. You don't need to purchase what you don't use. You
purchase features rather than a module that contains features that you may not
Supply Chain. Navision includes warehouse management, production, and
Inter-company transactions. Automatic balancing between legal
entities. A PO created in 1 company creates a draft sales order in the other
company ready to be approved
Microsoft Business Notification Be aware of business-critical events
anywhere and prevent problems before they might occur. For example, receive
notifications to tell you if there is a delay in shipping or production, or when
the inventory on crucial items sinks beyond a certain level
5 pre-loaded verticals. For faster implementation for Wholesale,
Furniture, Machinery, CPG (consumer packaged goods), High Tech - Should reduce
implementation time significantly
Manufacturing. Includes visibility into work-in-process and support
for order-by-order planning workflow (light MRP), manual planning, graphical
production schedule, Gantt charts and production reporting.
Anaytics. Business Analytics with predefined or customized OLAP cubes.
Pre-defined Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) for Financial Management, Supply
Chain Management and Customer Relationship Management
AX (the artist formerly known as Axapta) is designed for enterprise clients, while the other platforms are mainly for small to mid-sized clients. AX was intially built for manufacturing and supply chain needs. I would look at some of the columns on msdynamicsworld.com, as there are a number of different articles that really describe the key differences. I haven't been able to find any concrete information on product differences, other than on that site. What type of industry are you in? There are many different VARs that can tailor a platform to your specific industry.
Jim StenglerMTS Consulting, Inc.