On NAV 2013 Licenses - Part 1 | Add-on Ranges

Published 2012-10-3 14:46

Just wanted to take you with me on my journey to clarify the unknowns around the new licenses. Hope you don't mind me chatting with a MS operations professional.

OP: Good morning, Luc

Me: Good morning, Operations Professional.

OP: How can I help you?

Me: I just created a new NAV 2013 license, but license file and permission reports do not show details on the modules that are in the license. This was always shown in former licenses and reports. How come?

OP: Let me have a look to your account. It might be because everything is now included in the base pack now.

Me: Well ... I can agree on that regarding standard NAV modules, but what about add-on modules?

OP: I am having a look. Did you download the detailed permission report?

Me: Yes. It only shows these 'modules'

Module

Quantity

Included

Purchased

450 Full User CAL (Concurrent User)

20

0

20

610 Partner Demo/Dev Module

1

0

1

620 Product Specialist

1

1

0

630 Solution Developer

1

1

0

900 All Application Granules

1

1

0

Country Code: Netherlands

1

0

1

Me: And next to that only details on objects ranges. But no meta info on add-on modules.

OP: Did your add-ons have been register for 2013 version, because in your manage authorized reseller I can see only the option between NAV and NAV Business ready

OP: Developing partners need to sign a new agreement

Me: OK, that hasn't happen yet (I guess) for NAV 2013. Was that already possible as NAV 2013 was just released?

OP: Here is what the training material says:

The Microsoft Dynamics NAV Registered Solution Program Agreement is a global, standalone agreement with term of 2 years.

Once an ISV partner has signed the Registered Solution Program Agreement and specified which Registered Solutions will be added to the Agreement a quarterly fee will be charged based on the number of objects included in the Registered Solution.

Registered Solutions that are Certified for Microsoft Dynamics (CfMD) or within the first 12 months of passing the Software Solution Test (SST) will not be chargeable.

Me: OK

OP: Here is a link on PartnerSource: https://mbs.microsoft.com/partnersource/isvsolutions/resourcetools/nav_addonregistration.htm?printpage=false&sid=shjtea3bg4qsr0mqhd1pr00h&stext=Microsoft Dynamics NAV Registered Solution Program Guide

Me: So then regarding my issue: if we would have registered the add-on, following these 'rules', would it then show up in the NAV 2013 license details?

OP: Yes ,after this registration they will be available in your 2013 demo/dev

Me: And then just for my understanding:

Me: They are available (I can see the objects ranges that belong to these modules), but they are not listed as modules in the meta info part. Is that’s what it's all about?

OP: Yes, as long as the object range is available in the permission report the add on are unlocked and you will be able to use them

OP: If you want to go a step further and developing for 2013 you would need to sign the agreement.

Me: So I can use them but not develop?

OP: Yes

Me: I am asking as I we are already developing in NAV 2013, but did not sign the agreement, so there seems some contradiction here.

OP: You would just require to download the agreement and sign it when you will need to register your add-on.

Me: OK, although I am not sure I oversee the full extend yet. I guess following the link you provided above I can read more about it?

OP: Yes, sorry if I was not clear would you like me to resume?

Me: Answer to your question: yes, please

OP: OK, so your issue was you could not see the add-ons in your list of modules: the answer is as long as the object range is available in the permission report the add on are unlocked and you will be able to use them.

OP: If you decide to develop for NAV 2013 you would now require signing a new agreement Registered Solution Program Agreement (RSPA).

Me: OK and the agreement details can be found through your link?

OP: Yes

Me: THANK YOU ;-)

OP: You are welcome :-)

OP: Sorry all of this is new for us too

Me: Clear

OP: Is there anything else I can do for you?

Me: No, thanx

OP: have a nice day

Me: u2, ciao.

So what did I learn from this?

We can only develop our add-ons on NAV 2013 if we have signed the RSPA.

As it seemed yesterday - see one of my remarks above - we could develop in NAV2013, being: doing anything like coding, creating new fields and object. But as of today it seems we can only code and change existing fields and objects. Since today our insert rights seem to have gone. Indifferent

To be continued ...

... as I did read a lot on RSPA and CfMD this afternoon, but need to digest it before writing about it.

Update 2012-11-17

Today I took the time to update our dev license. It was some weeks ago I last tried and saw that it still did not have the ISV Insert Rights enabled.
BUT NOW IT HAS!

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# Arend-Jan Kauffmann said on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 4:09 PM

Hi Luc,

We had exactly the same experience!

But we found out that the NAV 2013 development license still has execute and modify permissions on our Add-on range. So it is still possible to import the license and use the Windows Client, etc.

Only insert rights are missing in our NAV 2013 dev license. But then we discovered that the 'old' NAV 2009 license is accepted by the NAV 2013 Dev Env. So that means that if you need to insert objects in your Add-on range, you should switch the license in your development session.

Of course you still need to send in the RSPA. But since it is required to send it by post (it is 2012 guys!), it will take a few days before it is being processed.

And beware with registering your solution on NAV 2013! Without CfMD it will cost serious money...

Kind regards,

Arend-Jan

# Luc van Vugt said on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:01 PM

Hi AJ,

You're right. No insert right (that's what I mean with creating new fields and objects).

Thanx for the tip regarding using NAV 2009 license. Hadn't checked that. We were trying to see how it worked on NAV 2013 beta.

b rg

Luc

# Marq said on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:18 PM

This is exactly what I mentioned in this blog post.

dynamicsuser.net/.../cfmd-amp-repeatablitiy.aspx

For some reasons is has 66% less reads than my Azure posts...

# Daniel Göhler said on Wednesday, October 03, 2012 11:57 PM

Hi Luc,

I had the same experience like you with EOC. I also talked to our partner account manager (PAM). She said it a little bit different. On the mentioned Partner Source Link (mbs.microsoft.com/.../nav_addonregistration.htm) there are in Section “Content from Registered Solution event for ISVs and Resellers” Slides and a Video of Operation Accounts Manager Verena Duffield which explains very detailed the steps with the Dynamics NAV 2013 Registered Solutions.

As already mentioned in the comments if you are not going to certify you solution (CfMD) with a Software Solution Test (Lionbridge) and 10 (happy) customers within the first 12 month it probably cost you a lot of money.

Verena Duffield explains the following steps:

1. Step

Fill out the “WW Microsoft Dynamics NAV Registered Solution Program Add-On Request Form“ and send it to the Regional Operation Center. There is a very helpful FAQ-Document called „Microsoft Dynamics NAV Registered Solution Program Guide“. Page 16 and following is showing how to fill out this form.

As far as I understand if this process is completed by Microsoft, you should been to develop/upgrade you registered solution and therefor have the possibility to in include your “ISV insert rights” in your NAV 2013 development licence.

2. Step

Do the Software Solution Test with Lionbridge

3. Step

Sign the Registered Solution Program Agreement

4. Step

Selling-Partners (VARs) can be authorized in VOICE and then the Registered Solution is available for authorized partner (I guess yourself included) to add this to a customer licence

I will check this with our PAM tomorrow to be sure.

Best regards,

Daniel

# Erik P. Ernst said on Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:27 AM

@Marq (because it's subject is CfMD - nobody knows that short - but everybody heard about Azure)

# Luc van Vugt said on Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:30 AM

@Daniel: thanx for your elaboration (quite some typing ;-) ). It confirms what I read so far.

It's good that I posted this chat as I (and with me all people in the community) am getting valuable input.

# Tarek Demiati said on Thursday, October 04, 2012 6:59 PM

How can ISV startup with basically no Customer at all become Cfmd ?

# Luc van Vugt said on Friday, October 05, 2012 6:03 PM

@Tarek: offically he will not be able to get that done without enough customers running the add-on already. But I guess there are some ways around like the importance of that add-on to get on the (local?) market which will rouse interest from the local MS subsidairy.

You have to know that not all 10 references have to be customers. There can also be MS "officials" among them.

# David Singleton said on Tuesday, October 09, 2012 8:48 AM

Tarek, it would seem that one of the purposes of this new policy is to consolidate existing ISVs, NOT to create new ones. If you already have one certified Add-On then getting another through the system will be a lot easier. It also means you need to sell a lot of a particular Add-On, so in the case where there are a few competing ISVs making similar Add-Ons, it will remove competition leaving one survivor.

# Gary Winter said on Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:32 PM

Microsoft Germany has just clarified that this statement was an error on the part of the EOC agent. The NAV 2013 license will be a full license, RSPA or no RSPA. - At the moment, there is, however, a bug in the licensing tool that does not allow partners to download a 2013 license with insert rights. This bug is expected to be fixed by next week.

# Luc van Vugt said on Thursday, October 11, 2012 4:21 PM

@Gary: thanx for sharing. This sounds as good news to me. Let's see next week.

# Andreja Vertič said on Monday, October 15, 2012 6:33 PM

Hello,

we have been experiencing same problems since beginning of this month. And MS still cannot provide license without error today. And according to my last info from MBS Query it has to be RSPA which makes a lot of sense if you read all the RSP documents through. Please let us know when you had any luck with the license. I will keep you updated.

# Van Vugt's dynamiXs said on Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:13 PM

So in my chat with MS operations on insert rights for our add-on on NAV 2103 it became clear why we didn't

# Dave Cintron said on Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:31 PM

As regards "everything being in the base pack", if you've looked at your NAV 2013 objects, you will notice there are some missing, e.g. all of the Commerce Gateway objects. At first, I thought this feature was discontinued in 2013, but it does appear at the very end of the "Extended Pack Functionality" list. A post to the partner forum gets the response is, "it will be released for NAV 2013 as a separate download", although no notice of when this may happen. I would sure like to see an official document about how objects are being handled in NAV 2013 ...

# Luc van Vugt said on Friday, October 26, 2012 7:42 AM

Dave, your info regarding CG is fully right. Have been chasing this as sooon as I found it missing in the Beta release, as we have some customers using and needing it for NAV 2013.

The only thing I was informed about by MS was that they are working on possibly including some redesign.

# Luc van Vugt said on Saturday, November 17, 2012 11:41 AM

Today I took the time to update our dev license. It was some weeks ago I last tried and saw that it still did not have the ISV Insert Rights enabled.

BUT NOW IT HAS!

Will update my post accordingly.

# Van Vugt's dynamiXs said on Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:08 PM

There has been quite some fuzz about the NAV 2013 partner licenses. Especially about the missing ISV

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